15.12.11

Thoughts on Heartsy.... after the storm.

A couple months ago, I blogged about how I was doing a Heartsy feature for Wonder Forest.  It was a good day, and I was so happy with all the sales and exposure I got.  It's now 3 months later and I wanted to give an update on how everything went now that my vouchers are soon to expire.


In all honesty, I don't think I would do it again... for a couple of reasons.

1. The "VIP" program kind of screws you over.  My deal was $14 for a $28 gift certificate, which means VIP members got $38 certificates instead (they get $10 more).  At first, I was fine with this number because my material costs aren't really all that high. However, when the majority of my voucher sales turned out to be from VIP members, I definitely started to question things and became uneasy about selling my stuff so cheap... and I'll explain why below... 

2. Shipping costs.  Since Heartsy requires you to include the shipping costs along with the voucher amount, I was only actually making half of the deal amount. My profit was $14 on each gift certificate sold. However, shipping is pretty much always $7-$8, so here I was making only $6 profit on my creations... and that's also not including Etsy fees, Paypal Fees, and shipping supplies.  So when someone was getting a $38 item for only $6, yeah it was starting to get to me... a lot.  That's not all though. Occasionally, the cheapest shipping method to certain areas would be like $13.50 (Vancouver, I'm looking at you...).  You do the math. I just gave away free product. Thankfully, I didn't go with Heartsy's initial suggestion of $9 for a $21 voucher... my profit would have been eaten completely up by shipping fees.

3.  Stocking became a bitch.  I literally had to completely slow down on stocking up my Etsy shop in fear of giving away free product again.  Thankfully I had my other shop to keep me going.  Sometimes I spend hours on a certain plush and price it accordingly.  When someone comes along and swoops up that item with a Heartsy voucher... well, it's just not the nicest feeling in the world.

4.  Time limits. This is something I wish Heartsy would change asap. The shortest amount of time you can have your vouchers valid for is 3 months. (edit: apparently Heartsy changed the duration and their seller signup page now says "Heartsy vouchers will be valid for a period of 1 month after the online promotion ends.") Well, I am on my 3rd month now and I still have more than a handful of people who haven't redeemed their vouchers. I also have people complaining that there is not much left in my Etsy shop. Sorry to be harsh, but that's probably what happens when you wait too long and stuff is bought up already... and no, I won't be restocking until this deal ends. Waiting for this to be over is frustrating. I hate wondering what the next person is going to snag for free.

5. Custom orders had to stop on Etsy. I love doing custom orders for people. However, they take more time and I actually have to rearrange my schedule to sit down and make them. When someone would purchase a custom listing or a MADE TO ORDER listing with their Heartsy voucher, it just wasn't worth my time. I was setting aside a few hours in a day to create a completely custom plush for only $7. Minus fees.

6. The value of your work.  Lastly, I thought about this a lot and after reading some other Heartsy stories, I have to agree. While it is nice to go on a website and get an awesome deal for a product, when it comes to the handmade community, I don't think it's that great of an idea.  Sites like Heartsy actually help devalue your work.  They are promoting your items at 70% off, when your items shouldn't have to be 70% off. They are handmade. They take countless amounts of time to create. So I have to wonder if deal sites like this are actually hurting artisans. Generally, handmade shops sell the same type of product throughout their storefronts. If you had a customer buy one of your items at 70% off, what would make them want to come back to your store and buy something else again at full price? I am just not sure the repeat customer value is there.

(SIDE NOTE: Heartsy made $400 from my sale. No shipping fees, no transaction fees. Is this fair?)

Heartsy wasn't all that bad. I did get more exposure and a lot of the people actually purchased things that cost more than their voucher, which was awesome and made up for the loss a little. In the end, I turned a profit but with the annoyances, I just wouldn't want to do it again.  If they figure out a better way to do the whole VIP program thing, it could be better. It would also be better if it were integrated with Etsy somehow so that you're not paying the Etsy fees on the total item cost, but rather the amount the person actually paid.  (Why should I have to pay percentage fees on a $40 item when the buyer only paid $2?)

So there you have it my friends. If you were debating submitting your stuff to Heartsy, you have my two cents. If you had your own Heartsy sale, how was your experience.... honestly?






29 comments:

  1. oh thanks for sharing this! i was curious how it all worked. i always appreciate hearing my friends' experiences 'cause they don't sugarcoat it. thanks, girl!

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  2. I TOTALLY agree.

    We just did one at the end of November and we both agreed we would not do it again. We used our photo prints and button shop because we knew there was NO WAY I would sell our hand-embroidered work at a discount like that. Some of our embroidery items can take me days to do...so no way!

    Even with the low supplies costs and time spent to create the items in our squidflex shop...we still made barely any profit...if at all. All but one buyer were VIPs and then once you add the etsy and paypal fees, shipping costs and supplies...it was pretty much a wash. PLUS to add insult to injury you have to pay a fee on paypal to get your money from heartsy so you're getting even less than you already were.

    I was pretty bummbed but I had done a lot of reading before on others' experiences so I knew a little about what I was getting into. Lastly, I agree with the handmade devaluation aspect. We are always conversing about not low balling your prices to compete with chains and the like...so why are we agreeing to sell our work for so much less? These will likely not be return customers...so what is the point?

    Heartsy was nice and easy to work with, but not worth it for us at all.

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  3. Whoa, I just learned a ton! Thanks for posting about your experience. I hate to hear that it was so frustrating. Maybe there will be a better/friendlier method for this type of deal in the future (with a different site perhaps? :)).

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  4. I was curious how that worked, so thank you for sharing!
    I would be the same as you (worried about re-stocking, and what other item someone might snag for free). Not that I dont like giving or doing giveaways for exposure, but wow thats kind of crazy. I can imagine your stuffties are worth the cost and it really doesnt seem worth it to sell them for so low. Good for you for not re-stocking! lol I agree if they wanted options they should buy sooner! Thanks for all the info!

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  5. What a bummer. Sorry to hear your experience was so.
    But I do agree with you on all of that and online discount stores. I love getting a deal, but is it worth it for the artisan? I won't sell through them, because I know the cost won't be worth it. Like yours, my items take so long to make. It's not a easy as gluing a cabochon onto an earring back. I sew and glue and bake and paint. One bouquet takes me a week, a statement necklace can take two days. Even my simpler items, like a pearl or crystal necklace take a day. And that's if I work round the clock on all of it.

    Grr!

    I also feel like those stores devalue all artisans. People look at that and say, "Well, this necklace only costs $9. Why is yours $28?" And I always want to say because they're letting you rip them off!

    www.luxeboulevard.com

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  6. I'm glad to see that an Etsian is actually posting about their Heartsy experience. As a team leader of two big teams - we've had lots of leader chats about Heartsy. None of us have ever really tried it out so we never had anyone capable of telling us about their experience.

    This basically annoys me.
    I've been told from the get go to never, ever sell your items for less than what you think they are worth (based on cost involved, time put in to make & list, etc) The MAJORITY of people will pay for quality over quantity.

    So for people to scoop up VIP passes to get a "good deal" and pay for quality at a really lowball price is not something I'd be interested in doing.

    Somehow you managed to turn a profit, despite letting go of a lot of things for free - which is insane.
    They made money off you - money that should have just gone to you instead.

    I'll be sending the leaders over to your blog to read this post during our chat tonight, would like them to read this information here.

    Thanks for bringing it to light!

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  7. I just did a Heartsy sale too, and the VIP sales just killed me! :(( They really need to get rid of the VIP program, or at least limit the number of VIP vouchers they sell. I was practically giving items away. So sad! At least with Groopdeals or GiGisPetals it's one item that you choose to discount. I can't afford to do Heartsy ever again! Thanks for this post, Dana!

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  8. @Amanda

    Thank you for sharing your own experience too! I'm sorry to hear yours wasn't the greatest experience either.

    I admit, my opinion changed greatly as the months passed. I thought it was all a great in the beginning but after all of the hassles and everything, i'm still just waiting for it to be over.

    If your products don't take a lot of time to produce, your shipping costs are generally low, and you're able to take a 70% hit then it would be worth it, however, I'm not sure many handmade businesses would be comfortable fitting into that category.

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  9. @Bip and Bop

    ugh I'm sorry you got killed too :(
    I think anyone who is thinking about doing Heartsy should read my post (haha).

    The VIP program is unfortunately how they make their money. I'm not sure if they would ever get rid of it, but it's just not fair to the sellers. at ALL. They would need to come up with a different way to profit. I haven't tried Groopdeals or anything else, but if they're still able to make a profit somehow off of other sellers then maybe Heartsy should take notes.

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  10. I did Heartsy as well, and I never will again! I think it devalues not only what handmade is all about, but what it means to be a 'successful' seller on Etsy (aka: not a high sale count).

    Heartsy buyers are in it for the deal. If they aren't willing to pay full price for a quality handmade item, then forget 'em!

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  11. I agree with a lot of what you said. Luckily my vouchers were only valid for a month...and a lot of people didn't redeem. Which is their loss!

    The VIP thing was not well explained and you're right - SO many people had VIP prices that it really cut into my profits.

    The exposure was great - I made a good amount of money and Heartsy only made $77 off my sale, so I am not too down about my experience. That being said - I, like you, would not do it again.

    Handmade cannot sell for the same super cheap prices as mass produced and sites like this lead many consumers to believe that all handmade should be cheap.

    I just wrote an article this week that was published on Design*Sponge about valuing your work...it definitely speaks to your point #6.

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  12. @Gina

    Wow how did you get your vouchers to only be valid for a month?? When I did it, 3 months was the minimum. Did they change that?? Ugh I wish that could have been me lol.

    I think about your post a lot actually, the one you posted on your blog (is that the same as the design sponge one?). I actually sent the link to a buyer yesterday who told me my stuff was too expensive!

    I’m glad Heartsy didn’t take too much $$ away from you though. I haven’t really heard any positive things about them from sellers which is a shame.

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  13. I am so glad you post stuff like this. Although I don't yet sell anything that I might, I have considered it many times. The information I get ahead of time, the better I feel about making future business decisions.

    By the way, I absolutely love the stuff you make. I plan to order something for my nephew as soon as you're able to restock. :)

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  14. That is incredibly unfortunate, Dana. Thanks for sharing your experiences about using Heartsy. While I do not sell my products online as shipping to and from Vancouver is ridiculous ($12 to ship $12 of soap to Calgary?!), I do buy handmade and will steer clear of such deals. I think 100% of the money should be going to the artisan, and it's quite disheartening to hear heartsy, who is supposedly a promoter of handmade, is in fact taking advantage of handmade businesses.

    You've already done the handmade community a huge favour by writing this post as I'm sure those reading it are going to think twice about what deals they choose to get in on.

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  15. I go back and forth about what I think about Heartsy. I don't know that a more effective ad could be purchased for the price, but as you point out, you lose so much time and money. If a seller looks at it as a promotional means, maybe it doesn't seem so bad? I dunno. When Heartsy started, I was very interested, but as time goes on and I see more posts like this, I become less and less interested. Thank you for your honesty!

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  16. P.S. I'm not sure if I commented this before, but your blog is _gorgeous_.

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  17. Thank you so much for this! I was seriously considering trying out Heartsy, but I wasn't too sure about it. My work is not as time consuming as yours, but I don't want to be giving it away for free.

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  18. @Katie

    what is up with Vancouver shipping!!? it's the WORST! It costs more than double to ship there than the US, and it's within our same country! Doesn't make any sense.

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  19. Thanks so much for posting this! Between you and Gina (she is the sweetest) I think you really hit the nail on the head with handmade. I considered doing Heartsy, got scared, and didn't end up doing it. I'm glad I took that path, I am so sorry you had a mostly bad experience! I think it's invaluable that you shared your information though, you really payed it forward.

    Though a chunk of my products DO fall into the "not too much time to create and not the most expensive materials" category I still have a lot of pieces that take me hours to create.

    I ramble. Thanks for this post Dana. :)

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  20. I don't think I realized just how little you came away with now that they have the VIP part, which I think is crap for the artist/maker.

    So now, would you still buy from Heartsy?

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  21. Dana, thank you for this post! I don't see a lot of shop owners talk about their experiences with Heartsy and the like. I have heard that Groopdealz is a lot better, though. Maybe you'll have better luck with that if you ever venture into this type of promotional resource in the future. However, I do feel for you in the fact that it takes a toll. I'm sorry about that!

    If anything, you have helped a fellow shop owner. ;)

    Also, it makes me re-consider buying coupons for hand-made shops now!

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  22. Thanks for sharing this with us! I've been curious about Heartsy for a long time. It seems that a lot of sellers on there think it's not worth it, especially for the handmade community. I'm glad you were able to break down your reasons for us.

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  23. Thanks for sharing this with us! I've been curious about Heartsy for a long time. It seems that a lot of sellers on there think it's not worth it, especially for the handmade community. I'm glad you were able to break down your reasons for us.

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  24. wow... i didn't know all this about Heartsy. i was initially sort of upset that i didn't get chosen for the site but... after reading this i'm sort of glad. i had no idea it was like this, and it truly is unfair for them to make such a profit off of YOUR handmade items. it's ridiculous. thieves... i'd rather offer a voucher in my shop, promote it myself, and just work it like that.
    i apologize for being one of the custom people though. haha. love you still!

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  25. This is a wonderful post! Thanks so much for sharing. I have heard a similar experience and your story made me re-think and re-consider!!
    Hugs xxx

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  27. I totally agree with you! I actually just finished my Heartsy deal on Monday and let me tell you I am still trying to catch up on orders. Hand stamping silver is tough business and I realized I have been giving a lot of my product away almost free. I don't have a lot of money and these supplies are expensive for me. Plus, the time it takes to make the items. I too had to stop custom orders... Plus, my stuff is awesome and I don't think I should have to sell it for 65% off for people to want it.

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  28. This is the second post I've seen about Heartsy and how it runs. I'm sure they aren't doing it to devalue your work, but I feel like they are. And I also don't feel like the exposure is worth it. You could pay $400 (what they made) for a lot more exposure than then basically... just taking your earning for something that you work hard on.

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